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skull_bearer ([personal profile] skull_bearer) wrote2010-09-16 10:00 pm
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Okay, lets just set this straight...

The Nazis did not have an atheist manifesto.
They did go against any organisation that wasn't the Nazi party, and so organised religion, such as Catholicism, was not so hot with them. But the same could be said of everything from youth groups to trade unions, anything that could potentially get in the way of party authority was disbanded, some more forcibly than others.
Frankly, the treatment organised religion got, when compared to trade unions and rival political parties, was a fucking feather touch. They were mostly left alone as long as the individual priests didn't say anything bad about Nazi policy and leaders. If they did, well, they got what everyone else got who spoke against the status quo, a stay in a KZ. You weren't even banned from joining the SS if you was devout, sure you got laughed at and passed over for promotion, but these are the friggin' Nazis we're talking about here.
Also, can anyone name me a high-ranking nazi who was an atheist? I really can't think of any. Hitler was Roman Catholic and Himmler was off in his own little Teutonic reality, but I don't know much about the others.

So, Emperor Palpatine, shut the fucking hell up, you are the last person to talk and now I'm going to make a great big 'Gott Mit Uns' sign to take the the protest on Saturday.

[identity profile] skull-bearer.livejournal.com 2010-09-18 10:36 pm (UTC)(link)
As I said above, if you'd bothered to read it, I agree that the nazis did not like organised religion of any stripe. It was a challenge to their power. This does not change that Hitler never renounced his Catholic faith, and made it quite clear he believed in god. This post is meant to refute the pope's allegation (also made by tons of people who shoudl really know better) that the nazis were an atheist movement. Read the damn post.

[identity profile] angels-chinese.livejournal.com 2010-09-18 10:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I've read it. Again: it was more complicated. Read "Mein Kampf" and you'll see that Hitler's demands to the Churches were ideological. It wasn't only about power; if Reich was only about that, there would be no Holovaust, by the way. Hitler surely was Roman Catholic before the middle of 1920s, but not after. He never renounced his faith, but since 1930 he never said he was Catholic either. He spoke about Christianity as of something foreign or at least external. Yep, he believed in some god, but it certainly wasn't Jesus Christ, there's no evidence of that.

The Pope should choose the words better, I believe. Here I am with you: atheism as such had nothing in common with Nazis. The were very, ahem, spiritual. Not materialists for sure. But it was not Christianity that made them kill.

[identity profile] skull-bearer.livejournal.com 2010-09-18 10:57 pm (UTC)(link)
But it was not Christianity that made them kill.

Then we are in agreement, why are you bothering me again?

[identity profile] angels-chinese.livejournal.com 2010-09-18 11:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, sorry for that.