I think it was around Cabin and Avengers that it became clear to me that they had their own idea of what Whedon was doing, and no amount of evidence to the contrary would change their minds. It was after watching them trying to force two perfectly good film to fit the faulty paradigm they'd set up that I realised they were seeing the films through Whedon-hate goggles and I was wasting my time.

It's a shame, I like Ferretbrain/