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Ars Marginal can be a bit of a powder-keg at times, but this discussion crossed from bizarre to outright parody. It I didn't know Neo-Prodigy was actually real, I'd think they were a troll posing as a conservative parody of a progressive commentator.

On an Ars Marginal article on Elementary:

Vandy Beth Glenn says:

June 13, 2013 at 11:06 am

I don’t get that Sherlock gets a pass on his antics simply “because he’s white,” but I do agree there should be more nonwhite characters in the British show.

I think the major failing of Elementary is that Watson isn’t a military veteran. It’s an important part of the character, and implicit in leaving that out when you make Watson female is the idea that women shouldn’t be in the military, which is so not okay in the 21st century.

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  Neo-Prodigy says:

  
  
  
  June 13, 2013 at 12:46 pm
  

  
  
  

  “I don’t get that Sherlock gets a pass on his antics simply “because he’s white,””

  And it’s okay if you don’t get it. However the rest of us do.

  “It’s an important part of the character, and implicit in leaving that out when you make Watson female is the idea that women shouldn’t be in the military, which is so not okay in the 21st century.”

  Hello Strawman how are you today? Given that the show has had several episodes which explored female characters as military officers, police officers, and co-owners of security firms, that pretty much invalidates your argument.

  Furthermore, BBC’s John Watson, while having military training, consistently proves himself to be inept when any physical altercations occur as opposed to Dr. Joan Watson who repeatedly shows that she can handle herself.

  And if you watched the season finale, you would know that many powerful women got showcased something fierce and if you watched the season finale you would know that Joan Watson all but defeated the Big Bad singlehandedly.

  And I’m also going to call bullshit that you would critique Elementary on its failings of women (nevermind the fact that they’ve actually showcased women of color and trans women in a positive light), but have said nothing on the rampant unchecked misogyny that BBC’s Sherlock brings not to mention his repeated verbal abuse of virtually every female he encounters.

  That’s so not okay.

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    June 13, 2013 at 1:24 pm
    

    
    
    

    Guest characters are different from main characters. When a show makes its version of an iconic character like Watson, it’s entirely fair to give close scrutiny to changes they make to the original version. Today’s military has women, and doctors, and women doctors, and even an Afghan war, so it’s perplexing to me that Liu’s Watson wouldn’t have any of that in common with Conan Doyle’s Watson. I’d love to read in an interview that it was for reasons other than her sex, but that’s what it looks like.

    I never said she wasn’t a great character or that she wasn’t a great partner for Holmes, or that she’s presented generally in a sexist manner.

    Also, “BBC’s John Watson, while having military training, consistently proves himself to be inept when any physical altercations occur” is inaccurate. He shot the cabbie serial killer and has been quite handy with his cane.

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      June 13, 2013 at 1:37 pm
      

      
      
      

      Once again your argument is invalid given that she’s constantly training and has saved Sherlocks ass more than once.

      I have an issue with this claim that because she’s not in the military she therefore can’t be strong.

      You continue not to speak on the rampant misogyny in BBCs Sherlock, thus making your replies disingenuous and hella suspect.

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        June 13, 2013 at 1:42 pm
        

        
        
        

        “I have an issue with this claim that because she’s not in the military she therefore can’t be strong.”

        I’ve made no such claim. Rather the show seems to be claiming that if Watson is female she can’t have been an Army doctor.

        “You continue not to speak on the rampant misogyny in BBCs Sherlock”

        I’m just more interested in talking about Elementary. It’s not a zero-sum discussion, where criticism of Elementary implies equal and opposite praise of Sherlock. But if you insist on it before we move on, fine: Sherlock is rampantly misogynist, and the show’s treatment of female characters, particularly Mrs. Hudson, is dreadful.

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          June 13, 2013 at 2:05 pm
          

          
          
          

          Oh you think we’re going to be moving on as if I give a fuck about you or your opinion. Oh no boo-boo we won’t be doing that. What we will be doing however is mocking you and your hypocrisy and your strawmen not to mention your failed attempts at derailing this conversation.

          Given that you can’t even recognize white privilege or misogyny when fluctuates out the face in BBC Sherlock you have nothing worth adding to this conversation so you can stop now and have a seat.

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            June 13, 2013 at 2:06 pm
            

            
            
            

            Furthermore if you gave an actual flying fuck about misogyny/racism you would not be pissing on the show that actually promotes women of color and defending the show that promotes straight white dudebros racism and misogyny and homophobia.

            
            
          
          
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            Vandy Beth Glenn says:

            
            
            
            June 13, 2013 at 2:17 pm
            

            
            
            

            I haven’t been rude to you, nor hypocritical, nor have I been giving Sherlock a pass. But if you aren’t interested in a civil discussion without name-calling and reductive insults, then see ya.

            
            
          
          
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            June 13, 2013 at 2:35 pm
            

            
            
            

            You’ve attempted to derail this post with bullshit arguments and got called on your shit.

            All of which could’ve been avoided had you bothered to read the commenting policy.

            Since you can’t respect our space, we don’t have a fuck to give about your opinion.

            
            
          
          
        
        
      
      
    
    
  
  

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You’ve attempted to derail this post with bullshit arguments and got called on your shit.

All of which could’ve been avoided had you bothered to read the commenting policy.

Since you can’t respect our space, we don’t have a fuck to give about your opinion.

“I don’t get that Sherlock gets a pass on his antics simply “because he’s white,””

And it’s okay if you don’t get it. However the rest of us do.

“It’s an important part of the character, and implicit in leaving that out when you make Watson female is the idea that women shouldn’t be in the military, which is so not okay in the 21st century.”

Hello Strawman how are you today? Given that the show has had several episodes which explored female characters as military officers, police officers, and co-owners of security firms, that pretty much invalidates your argument.

Furthermore, BBC’s John Watson, while having military training, consistently proves himself to be inept when any physical altercations occur as opposed to Dr. Joan Watson who repeatedly shows that she can handle herself.

And if you watched the season finale, you would know that many powerful women got showcased something fierce and if you watched the season finale you would know that Joan Watson all but defeated the Big Bad singlehandedly.

And I’m also going to call bullshit that you would critique Elementary on its failings of women (nevermind the fact that they’ve actually showcased women of color and trans women in a positive light), but have said nothing on the rampant unchecked misogyny that BBC’s Sherlock brings not to mention his repeated verbal abuse of virtually every female he encounters.

That’s so not okay.

You’ve attempted to derail this post with bullshit arguments and got called on your shit.

All of which could’ve been avoided had you bothered to read the commenting policy.

Since you can’t respect our space, we don’t have a fuck to give about your opinion.

Guest characters are different from main characters. When a show makes its version of an iconic character like Watson, it’s entirely fair to give close scrutiny to changes they make to the original version. Today’s military has women, and doctors, and women doctors, and even an Afghan war, so it’s perplexing to me that Liu’s Watson wouldn’t have any of that in common with Conan Doyle’s Watson. I’d love to read in an interview that it was for reasons other than her sex, but that’s what it looks like.

I never said she wasn’t a great character or that she wasn’t a great partner for Holmes, or that she’s presented generally in a sexist manner.

Also, “BBC’s John Watson, while having military training, consistently proves himself to be inept when any physical altercations occur” is inaccurate. He shot the cabbie serial killer and has been quite handy with his cane.

You’ve attempted to derail this post with bullshit arguments and got called on your shit.

All of which could’ve been avoided had you bothered to read the commenting policy.

Since you can’t respect our space, we don’t have a fuck to give about your opinion.

Once again your argument is invalid given that she’s constantly training and has saved Sherlocks ass more than once.

I have an issue with this claim that because she’s not in the military she therefore can’t be strong.

You continue not to speak on the rampant misogyny in BBCs Sherlock, thus making your replies disingenuous and hella suspect.

You’ve attempted to derail this post with bullshit arguments and got called on your shit.

All of which could’ve been avoided had you bothered to read the commenting policy.

Since you can’t respect our space, we don’t have a fuck to give about your opinion.

“I have an issue with this claim that because she’s not in the military she therefore can’t be strong.”

I’ve made no such claim. Rather the show seems to be claiming that if Watson is female she can’t have been an Army doctor.

“You continue not to speak on the rampant misogyny in BBCs Sherlock”

I’m just more interested in talking about Elementary. It’s not a zero-sum discussion, where criticism of Elementary implies equal and opposite praise of Sherlock. But if you insist on it before we move on, fine: Sherlock is rampantly misogynist, and the show’s treatment of female characters, particularly Mrs. Hudson, is dreadful.

You’ve attempted to derail this post with bullshit arguments and got called on your shit.

All of which could’ve been avoided had you bothered to read the commenting policy.

Since you can’t respect our space, we don’t have a fuck to give about your opinion.

Oh you think we’re going to be moving on as if I give a fuck about you or your opinion. Oh no boo-boo we won’t be doing that. What we will be doing however is mocking you and your hypocrisy and your strawmen not to mention your failed attempts at derailing this conversation.

Given that you can’t even recognize white privilege or misogyny when fluctuates out the face in BBC Sherlock you have nothing worth adding to this conversation so you can stop now and have a seat.

Furthermore if you gave an actual flying fuck about misogyny/racism you would not be pissing on the show that actually promotes women of color and defending the show that promotes straight white dudebros racism and misogyny and homophobia.

Furthermore if you gave an actual flying fuck about misogyny/racism you would not be pissing on the show that actually promotes women of color and defending the show that promotes straight white dudebros racism and misogyny and homophobia.

I haven’t been rude to you, nor hypocritical, nor have I been giving Sherlock a pass. But if you aren’t interested in a civil discussion without name-calling and reductive insults, then see ya.

I haven’t been rude to you, nor hypocritical, nor have I been giving Sherlock a pass. But if you aren’t interested in a civil discussion without name-calling and reductive insults, then see ya.

You’ve attempted to derail this post with bullshit arguments and got called on your shit.

All of which could’ve been avoided had you bothered to read the commenting policy.

Since you can’t respect our space, we don’t have a fuck to give about your opinion.

You’ve attempted to derail this post with bullshit arguments and got called on your shit.

All of which could’ve been avoided had you bothered to read the commenting policy.

Since you can’t respect our space, we don’t have a fuck to give about your opinion.