Interesting. I just listened to the "Cabin Fever" episode the other day. I haven't listened to the "Avengers" episode because I haven't seen the movie yet, and unlike Cabin in the Woods, I do intend to see it. At present, I can't comment on either of the movies to see how my assessment differs from theirs.
From what I have seen of Whedon's work (all of Buffy, all of Angel, all of Firefly excluding the movie, and Season 1 of Dollhouse) I tend to agree with most of what the core Ferretcrew have to say about him. His television shows tend to have an inflated sense of their own profundity, to present feminist discourse which ranges from "okay" to "incredibly heavy-handed" and treat it as devastatingly cutting-edge, and to occasionally descend into levels of melodrama which make Russell T. Davies and Steven Moffat combined look like rank amateurs. They also tend to have better-than-average plots, characterization, dialogue, and general writing (with the exception of Dollhouse).
Personally, I don't hate Joss Whedon; I usually enjoy his work, and on a good day he can produce some damn good material. In general, I guess I identify with Dan Hemmens' statement about "everything which I love about Joss Whedon, and everything that makes me want to punch him in the teeth" (though I wouldn't put it that strongly myself).
I guess the biggest thing which has come up on ferretbrain which does not reflect my feelings about Whedon's work is the idea that he's trying to make some point about complicity and "You the viewer are participating in this horrible stuff" because something-or-other. I didn't get that sense from Dollhouse, though that could easily be because I'm just not very good at TV analysis (at least, whatever branch of TV analysis that stuff falls under).
I guess I'm trying to get a more precise sense of where, exactly, you think the crew are off base, and then try to work out what my own stance is in relation to that.
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Date: 2012-05-26 08:15 pm (UTC)From what I have seen of Whedon's work (all of Buffy, all of Angel, all of Firefly excluding the movie, and Season 1 of Dollhouse) I tend to agree with most of what the core Ferretcrew have to say about him. His television shows tend to have an inflated sense of their own profundity, to present feminist discourse which ranges from "okay" to "incredibly heavy-handed" and treat it as devastatingly cutting-edge, and to occasionally descend into levels of melodrama which make Russell T. Davies and Steven Moffat combined look like rank amateurs. They also tend to have better-than-average plots, characterization, dialogue, and general writing (with the exception of Dollhouse).
Personally, I don't hate Joss Whedon; I usually enjoy his work, and on a good day he can produce some damn good material. In general, I guess I identify with Dan Hemmens' statement about "everything which I love about Joss Whedon, and everything that makes me want to punch him in the teeth" (though I wouldn't put it that strongly myself).
I guess the biggest thing which has come up on ferretbrain which does not reflect my feelings about Whedon's work is the idea that he's trying to make some point about complicity and "You the viewer are participating in this horrible stuff" because something-or-other. I didn't get that sense from Dollhouse, though that could easily be because I'm just not very good at TV analysis (at least, whatever branch of TV analysis that stuff falls under).
I guess I'm trying to get a more precise sense of where, exactly, you think the crew are off base, and then try to work out what my own stance is in relation to that.