Mar. 1st, 2019

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soprie:

transprophetess:

everybody just latched onto “terf = enemy” and then never again put any thought into why that is, and what transmisogyny is, so they just make a big deal out of being an anti-terf instead of understanding the problem in the first place

Some stuff to know:

TERF - Trans Excluding/Erasing Radical Feminist:

Someone who believes that trans women are not women and don’t belong in women’s spaces. They believe that trans women are predatory cis men pretending to be women in order to have sex with lesbians.

SWERF - Sex Worker Excluding/Erasing Radical Feminist:

Someone who believes that sex workers (those who make money from pornography or prostitution) are not feminist / not valuable / should not be welcome in feminist / women’s spaces. They believe that women participating in pornography or prostitution are upholding patriarchy and damaging the feminist movement.

Truscum aka transmedicalists:

Someone who believes that you must experience body dysphoria in order to be trans. They also tend to be attached to the gender binary and erase or exclude anyone who does not conform to a male / female gender identity (genderfluid, non-binary, agender, bi-gender, etc)

Ace exclusionists:

Someone who believes that ace-spectrum people are not inherently LGBTQ+ and do not belong in LGBTQ+ spaces. They see ace people as secretly cis/straight invaders and leeches to LGBTQ+ programs and resources. They also tend to believe that the definition of LGBTQ+ centres around those who experience discrimination for same-sex attraction, and therefore ace folk do not belong.

Trans women are women.
Non-medical trnas people are trans.
Ace people are LGBTQIA+.

Know why we do not welcome these people.

Okay, but I’ve never talked to a radfem that hated on sex workers.  They regard sex work as inherently demeaning and women who do it as victims, not enemies.

Yeah, and sex workers hate that attitude and find it backwards and demeaning, and they hate that SWERFs oppose important legislation that could help them stay safe because their precious morals forbids it.
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vaynglory:

types of posts i am absolutely sick of seeing on this site:

- anything about “30 year old fandom moms”. just say you hate older women and go.

- wank about symbolism in writing. every single take i’ve seen on the subject (from either side) is so obnoxious and condescending and ignores the actual problem (aka how poorly understanding of symbolism is taught in a lot of high schools)
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mojrim:

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mojrim:

soprie:

transprophetess:

everybody just latched onto “terf = enemy” and then never again put any thought into why that is, and what transmisogyny is, so they just make a big deal out of being an anti-terf instead of understanding the problem in the first place

Some stuff to know:

TERF - Trans Excluding/Erasing Radical Feminist:

Someone who believes that trans women are not women and don’t belong in women’s spaces. They believe that trans women are predatory cis men pretending to be women in order to have sex with lesbians.

SWERF - Sex Worker Excluding/Erasing Radical Feminist:

Someone who believes that sex workers (those who make money from pornography or prostitution) are not feminist / not valuable / should not be welcome in feminist / women’s spaces. They believe that women participating in pornography or prostitution are upholding patriarchy and damaging the feminist movement.

Truscum aka transmedicalists:

Someone who believes that you must experience body dysphoria in order to be trans. They also tend to be attached to the gender binary and erase or exclude anyone who does not conform to a male / female gender identity (genderfluid, non-binary, agender, bi-gender, etc)

Ace exclusionists:

Someone who believes that ace-spectrum people are not inherently LGBTQ+ and do not belong in LGBTQ+ spaces. They see ace people as secretly cis/straight invaders and leeches to LGBTQ+ programs and resources. They also tend to believe that the definition of LGBTQ+ centres around those who experience discrimination for same-sex attraction, and therefore ace folk do not belong.

Trans women are women.
Non-medical trnas people are trans.
Ace people are LGBTQIA+.

Know why we do not welcome these people.

Okay, but I’ve never talked to a radfem that hated on sex workers.  They regard sex work as inherently demeaning and women who do it as victims, not enemies.

Yeah, and sex workers hate that attitude and find it backwards and demeaning, and they hate that SWERFs oppose important legislation that could help them stay safe because their precious morals forbids it.

That takes us down quite a rabbit hole, really.  Radfems point to statistics which show that trafficking increases in countries that legalize prostitution, that the overwhelming majority of sex workers are exploited victims who are trapped, and that no one grows up dreaming of sex work as a career. 

I don’t actually have solid position on this.  My point is that (a) radfems don’t hate sex workers and (b) it’s possible to have different answers to the same question in good faith.

It would help if they, y’know, listened to sex workers who explain that legalising prostitution makes them safer. How about we make our position what the people actually affected by this are saying, instead of a bunch of people to who it is only theoretical?

It doesn’t matter how they feel about sex workers. I’m sure most people working in gay conversion therapy don’t hate gay people, they just think they they are doing is wrong. You can have the best intentions but still hurt people, and most sex workers are pretty clear SWERFs are hurting them. The SWERFs don’t care.

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