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I can't find the page, but I read a few days ago on the BBC website that a recent investigation into Israel's attack on the Turkish flotilla last year found the Israeli forces not guilty of wrongdoing. My mindset on the topic is that it doesn't matter what happened on the flotilla, since it's endangered Israel's relations with one of its few Middle Eastern allies, Turkey. But anyway, todday I was browsing the Al-Jazeera website, and found that this investigation was actually done by the Israelis.

I didn't go into too much detail, I know Al-Jazeera's stance on Israel and my stance is simply that if Israel carries on the way it has there isn't going to be an Israel in 50 years whether I support them or not, so whether or not they fudged the document is beside the point. My puzzlement is simply, why didn't the BBC say this? It seems like a pretty vital piece of info.

Anyway, just typing out loud here.

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Date: 2011-01-30 07:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Al Jazeera doesn't need to do that when Israelis consider four gunshots to the chest and one to the head a sufficient response to the killer CDs of doom. Israel is plenty capable of stirring up ill will on its own. And for that matter the 9/11 Commission Report actually admitted that someone fucked up somewhere. Israel's naturally said nobody fucked up anywhere.

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Date: 2011-01-31 09:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deborahkla.livejournal.com
Gee, and maybe nobody did fuck up? But that couldn't possibly be so, could it? It is those fucking uppity Jews, after all. How dare they be aggressive when surrounded by people who want them dead after being accused of walking like lambs to the slaughter to the killing fields and the gas chambers? Boy oh boy, if you're a Jew, you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

You're welcome to telephone the United Nations and ask them to investigate the incident. But why do so? Let the Jews hang themselves, eh? Not to worry, I'm sure at some point we'll all be dead and you'll have one less ethnic group to despise.
Edited Date: 2011-01-31 09:45 am (UTC)

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Date: 2011-01-31 12:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skull-bearer.livejournal.com
Okay, here's a little tip: if I can criticise North Korea without being anti-asian (the ruling elite is inhabiting their own little planet somewhere beyond Pluto and it's going to get nasty), England without being anti-British (a good way to cut unemployment? Slash the public sector! Christ on a cornflake), Venezuela without being anti-Venezuelan (he's a dictator, he might as well admit it) and America with OMG THEY BE HATING OUR FREEDOMZ (just... seriously), then I can say Israel's foriegn policy is a complete testosterone fueled nightmare that is costing them every ally they could have made without being anti-semitic.

And incidentally? It doesn't matter which country it is, asking them to do their own investigation into an international incident and being surprised when it comes up squeaky clean is just dumb. It doesn't matter if its the flotilla or the Falklands.

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Date: 2011-01-31 12:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Exactly. It doesn't matter the circumstance or the country because nobody has the guts to call themselves on their own bullshit.

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Date: 2011-01-31 05:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deborahkla.livejournal.com

Were they asked to do their own investigation? Or did they simply do it, the way the USA conducted their investigations of Pearl Harbor and 9/11? As I said, many countries conduct internal investigations of major incidents.

What I suggested is that someone ask the UNITED NATIONS to conduct an independent investigation, not that someone ask Israel to conduct another investigation. If great fault is found with Israel's investigation, the UN has every authority to conduct its own investigation. Let's see if they decide that there are enough questions and concerns to do so.

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Date: 2011-01-31 05:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deborahkla.livejournal.com

Were they asked to do their own investigation? Or did they simply do it, the way the USA conducted their investigations of Pearl Harbor and 9/11? As I said, many countries conduct internal investigations of major incidents.

What I suggested is that someone ask the UNITED NATIONS to conduct an independent investigation, not that someone ask Israel to conduct another investigation. If great fault is found with Israel's investigation, the UN has every authority to conduct its own investigation. Let's see if they decide that there are enough questions and concerns to do so.

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Date: 2011-01-31 12:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Four shots to the head and one to the chest over CDs? Somebody fucked up somewhere.

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Date: 2011-01-31 05:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deborahkla.livejournal.com

Were they asked to do their own investigation? Or did they simply do it, the way the USA conducted their investigations of Pearl Harbor and 9/11? As I said, many countries conduct internal investigations of major incidents.

What I suggested is that someone ask the UNITED NATIONS to conduct an independent investigation, not that someone ask Israel to conduct another investigation. If great fault is found with Israel's investigation, the UN has every authority to conduct its own investigation. Let's see if they decide that there are enough questions and concerns to do so.

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Date: 2011-01-31 05:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Israel wouldn't budge on that any more than Iran would on nuclear investigations or the US would on the lead-in to the Iraq War. If it turns out the Israelis knew damned good and well those were unarmed civilians...it would make a few people here unhappy and nobody would really give a shit.

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